Tuesday, January 20, 2009

Watch out everyone...I've been thinking

As you well know I've been wondering what I should do with the blog. Myself I am pretty happy to just ramble on as is but I've had some emails and conversations with people that got me thinking that there might be a better way to do things so once again I am going to throw it out there and see what people think because as I see it there are a few choices:

1. The status quo...and no I don't mean the band. I mean just keep doing what I'm doing....which is basically promising a lot and delivering a little and taking forever to do so.

2. Through consultation and negotiation with you guys...that is the people who can be bothered to comment...I actually put some effort into the process. What I was thinking is that I could keep blogging here as I have been but at the same time set up a website with a view to having the main part of the website 'bloglike' but go back over this blog and take out the good bits (which shouldn't take long) and work those bits over and write them up as articles to make things easier to search for people finding the stuff for the first time. The reason I was thinking that this might be a good way to go is because I was thinking about each section containing not only the articles but clips from the seminar covering those topics and finding a good way to facilitate discussion on the topic (forum). I think it would be a good way to try and get across my views on the subject material...to get it out there...then you guys would have something to ask questions about and subsequently rubbish and ridicule?

3. Is the option half way in between 1 and 2. I just go back and or get some help form interested parties in going back over the blog and better tagging the posts that are already here and just trying to improve the functionality of this site?

The good thing is that the second choice will cost money...I have no idea how much but I'm pretty sure that the interwebs are not completely free...so what I was thinking of doing was finding out how much then just saying...'The website will cost this €$'s and I'm not paying for it so it's up to you guys to contribute €$'s to get it up and running.' that way if absolutely no one is interested in contributing a cent towards it then I know that's exactly what the idea is worth. The third choice will require some people actually giving a shit about making this blog better by taking the time to go back and try and tag and categorise the hundreds of posts that have already been made and being apart of whatever group forms to agree on the method of tagging and categorisation. The reason that I think all this is a good thing is because if a) no one wants to even throw in a buck to get the website/forum thing happening then that will be my reason for not doing so...that is...it isn't worth it and b) if no one gives a shit enough to go back and tag and categorise the current blog then once again whenever anyone complains about not being able to find what they are looking for I can say...you are the only person who cares.

Which all leads us back to the very first choice...where nothing changes and everything stays the same. I just keep rambling and adding stuff if and when time permits and you guys either like it or lump it.

16 comments:

Joel said...

Are you trying to be the next ryan lee? ;) Seriously though,,, I like option number 2, but I think that it might be hard to get people to ship in with money.

Will Heffernan said...

Joel said...
Are you trying to be the next ryan lee?
I'm not even that sure who the first Ryan Lee is. I know you are joking but I've honestly not really seen any of his actual material...I've just been unfortunate enough to see what has resulted from other people actually using his material and that is plenty enough to put me off.

Seriously though,,, I like option number 2, but I think that it might be hard to get people to ship in with money.
I absolutely know that...that is part of the attraction. If people don't want to pay anything...that's fine by me...it won't worry me in the slightest...I'll just keep doing 'this' and I don't think 'this' is so bad. I don't do 'this' to make money or to be famous or to attract clients...in fact in a lot of ways I think it has the opposite effect but I'm fine with that as well. I just figured if I actually put a bit more time into the whole interweb thing I could make it a bit better. I could keep relatively the same format but make the functionality and presentation a bit better.

When I write and post I really don't plan or structure anything. Just about every post involves someone saying something to me at work or via email and I just write what I think. I don't think I communicate very well in this medium...I'm not a writer...in fact I am not even a very good presenter because my brain works faster than my mouth and a lot lot faster than I can type but I really want to get better at writing and I think I'm getting a lot better at presenting. Option 2 serves both purposes...I would go back and turn what were good blog posts into better articles and also have a place to post seminar clips of me presenting which will also serve to help me do a better job of that as well.

If better articles, better presentation and functionality aren't something that anyone would be willing to pay a cent for then who am I to argue.

I think I'd like to know how much it would actually cost to do first. I know I'd be willing to contribute but there's absolutely no chance that I'd pay entirely for the privilege of creating something like that.

Maybe I'll sell shares in it. That way if it ever takes off or the website ever generates any income in the future the people that throw some bucks in to get it started will be able to be all smug and superior later on.

garrett said...

No3 first get Johnathan or Barry or someone who knows what a tag is to do that first. You should do this anyway IMHO. After that if people arent happy start looking at a website.
I would like to see articles etc but realise a website might be a pain to set up.

Will Heffernan said...

garrett said...
No3 first get Johnathan or Barry or someone who knows what a tag is to do that first.
I think I might establish a 'Tagging Committee' agree on what the tags/categories should be then just do the simple tagging first....see where that gets us...then look perhaps at more specific tagging after that if it is deemed necessary.

You should do this anyway IMHO.
I agree.

After that if people arent happy start looking at a website.
I would like to see articles etc but realise a website might be a pain to set up.
See that's the thing...I don't know how big a pain it actually is or how expensive it is...I just figure it is worth finding out because if it isn't a massive pain it might be worth doing sooner rather than later.

willwayland said...

The internet freeloader theory suggests that as soon as your reader base has to contribute to a website in a way that isnt stupid comments or videos/pectures of them selves being stupid or buying stupid things, they'll stop reading

Barry Oglesby said...

No3 first get Johnathan or Barry or someone who knows what a tag is to do that first
Whoa! Have you seen my blog? I'll tag some posts if Will gives me an idea what to tag them as. Some of them are a bit random though.

Some ideas for tags:
"Random acts of cruelty"
"Poloquin"
"Boredom"
"Poxy inverted rows"

João Mimoso said...

I'd be willing to help, either by paying a fee or being part of the tagging commitee.

I like to read this blog and i think it's worth supporting

Sami said...

I'm also available for the tag committee.

ianm said...

the website idea could be good, make it invite only with a login? that way it becomes effectively a sort of interactive study group if members can post and discuss training/technical issues?

Michael Sullivan said...

Are there any paid "membership" websites related to the s&c field that are successful? I doubt it. The blog is fine except for the fact that it need to be better organized.

lylemcd said...

Invite only with a login....hmm, sounds like a forum to me. That way, Will can surround himself with the 6 people who thinks he knows what he's talking about. It certainly worked for Dos Remedios.

Or perhaps Fergus can talk about how well the Elite-edge worked out.

Will, here's my suggestion: first YOU need to figure out what YOU want to do with YOUR site.

Until you answer that question, you're masturbating without the positive end results that eventually come out of that endeavor.

You want an answer but you don't know what the right question is.

Given that almost nothing of what you do professionally is internet based, you might also ask what the fucking point actually would be of having a super duper site.

Is a 'real' site going to get you more clients, make you money, help you combat the idiocy of the internet? Or something else entirely?

These are the questions you have to answer before you start thinking about solutions.

Part of determining that also depends on how much time you're realistically going to put into it (e.g. when you're going to get bored with it and go do something else).

A blog that gets updated regularly will trump a beautiful site that never gets updated b/c it's a pain in your ass to do the updating in my opinion and experience.

Of course, with the new CMS approaches to sites (e.g. what I built my site on), you get the best of both worlds more or less. They can look really good but be easy to update. Which brings you back to the question of what you actually are trying and/or want to do.

But even that either entails building it yourself (what I did and don't terribly recommend unless you have 6 weeks to do nothing else with your life and particularly like the idea of learning functional amounts of HTML, PHP and CSS coding)

OR

paying someone else to do it which means paying some idiot a bunch of your money and probably not ending up with what you wanted in the first place b/c they couldn't understand what you were telling them you wanted (which is why I did mine myself; I'm a total control freak).

So if you want it to be a whiz bang multimedia experience, that means putting in a lot of time and energy and probably money (b/c hosting shit gets out of control with media involvement).

And if it's just you rambling in a drunken haze, then you might as well leave it as it is.

Learn to use tags, install a tag cloud in your side rail. Or just let people bitch and ignore them cuz they can't find anytyhing; that works too.

As far as letting others do the tagging and content and shit, I'm sure you have experience relying on others to do anything and how well that usually works out. Moreso when they really don't have any majorly invested interest in the outcome.

2 cents, maybe 2.5 if you adjust for the euro against the dollar

Lyle

ianm said...

There arn't any succesful membership S and C site's errr strengthcoach.com seems to do ok!? That in itself means there is a gap in the market and more to the point there are a handful of people here who regulaly check the site. More to the point this prehaps takes the emphassis away from your meathead body builders...sorry if I have insulted anyone.

I can agree with Lyle on getting a site built I have managed the build of 2 and quite frankly what you want gets lost in translation.

lylemcd said...

I doubt any meathead bodybuilders read this site, they are all at bodybuilding.com or T-nation.

strengthcoach.com is a Ryan Lee thing I think, I bet it's one of the few pay sites that actually does well. Why pay for a site when there are a zillion free sites? Most wouldn't do it.

Lyle

Will Heffernan said...

willwayland said...
The internet freeloader theory suggests that as soon as your reader base has to contribute to a website in a way that isnt stupid comments or videos/pectures of them selves being stupid or buying stupid things, they'll stop reading.
See the thing is...I'd be quite happy with that if that was what happened. In that I really couldn't care less. As far as contributing is concerned we're talking about the massive sum of about $50 a year...so that works out at about $10 a year per blog reader.

Barry Oglesby said...
No3 first get Johnathan or Barry or someone who knows what a tag is to do that first
Whoa! Have you seen my blog? I'll tag some posts if Will gives me an idea what to tag them as. Some of them are a bit random though.

Some ideas for tags:
"Random acts of cruelty"
"Poloquin"
"Boredom"
"Poxy inverted rows"
OK...maybe the better idea is that I slowly go back and tag the posts. Is it better to use a lot of tags or a few?

João Mimoso said...
I'd be willing to help, either by paying a fee or being part of the tagging commitee.

I like to read this blog and i think it's worth supporting.
Thanks Mimo. Maybe at the seminar over lunch we can convene the tagging committee and decide on the best way to categorise and or tag posts. I never search my blog for anything so I'm not sure what the best ways is to help people find what they are looking for.

Sami said...
I'm also available for the tag committee.
I'm all ears if people have suggestions as to how posts should be tagged?

ianm said...
the website idea could be good, make it invite only with a login?
I wouldn't want to be responsible for creating anything that I'd make fun of were it not mine. I just thought it might not be too much trouble to be able to have a website that looked like the blog but allowed for better archiving and searching of posts and or articles.

that way it becomes effectively a sort of interactive study group if members can post and discuss training/technical issues?
I'd like to enable that. It can sort of happen like it does here in the 'comments' section...it obviously could be done better though. I was thinking of maybe just making it so that comments were visible on the main page....what would people think of that? Would that get too messy?

Michael Sullivan said...
Are there any paid "membership" websites related to the s&c field that are successful? I doubt it.
I've no idea.

The blog is fine except for the fact that it need to be better organized.
I agree. That is basically what I am trying to do...just not sure the best way to achieve that.

lylemcd said...
Invite only with a login....hmm, sounds like a forum to me. That way, Will can surround himself with the 6 people who thinks he knows what he's talking about. It certainly worked for Dos Remedios.
Yeah...I wouldn't want to do anything like that and I think anyone that knows me knows that.

Or perhaps Fergus can talk about how well the Elite-edge worked out.

Will, here's my suggestion: first YOU need to figure out what YOU want to do with YOUR site.
That's really simple. I want to keep doing what I'm doing. It's as simple is that. All I'm wondering about is the medium or format or whatever way you want to describe that. I want to put a bit more effort into my writing to the extent that I might even think about what I write a bit more and have a bit more structure and do it a bit more seriously.
Essentially I want to keep posting when I have the time and just do it in some way that it is easier and more enjoyable for others to use.


Until you answer that question, you're masturbating without the positive end results that eventually come out of that endeavor.
See above...keep blogging...just maybe in a more reader friendly format.

You want an answer but you don't know what the right question is.

Given that almost nothing of what you do professionally is internet based, you might also ask what the fucking point actually would be of having a super duper site.
I wouldn't go so far as to say super duper...I just want regular duper.

Is a 'real' site going to get you more clients, make you money, help you combat the idiocy of the internet? Or something else entirely?
Enough people have told me what a pain in the arse the blog is for me to wonder if there's a better way to do it is all.

These are the questions you have to answer before you start thinking about solutions.

Part of determining that also depends on how much time you're realistically going to put into it (e.g. when you're going to get bored with it and go do something else).
As much time as I do now. A bit in the morning, usually some at lunch when I check my mail and in the evening when I get home from work...previously I just cruised the inter highway...I prefer making speed bumps on it like I do now.

A blog that gets updated regularly will trump a beautiful site that never gets updated b/c it's a pain in your ass to do the updating in my opinion and experience.

Of course, with the new CMS approaches to sites (e.g. what I built my site on), you get the best of both worlds more or less. They can look really good but be easy to update. Which brings you back to the question of what you actually are trying and/or want to do.
I want to do what you just described there...blog but with a tidier and more reader friendly format.

But even that either entails building it yourself (what I did and don't terribly recommend unless you have 6 weeks to do nothing else with your life and particularly like the idea of learning functional amounts of HTML, PHP and CSS coding)
That doesn't sound like something I'd do...and I definitely don't have that sort of time.

OR

paying someone else to do it which means paying some idiot a bunch of your money and probably not ending up with what you wanted in the first place b/c they couldn't understand what you were telling them you wanted (which is why I did mine myself; I'm a total control freak).
I can't see me paying for it...I won't even pay $50 a year for hosting.

So if you want it to be a whiz bang multimedia experience, that means putting in a lot of time and energy and probably money (b/c hosting shit gets out of control with media involvement).
You are definitely doing a good job of putting me off the idea. Anyone that complains from now on Ill just say Lyle told me not to do it.

And if it's just you rambling in a drunken haze, then you might as well leave it as it is.

Learn to use tags, install a tag cloud in your side rail. Or just let people bitch and ignore them cuz they can't find anytyhing; that works too.
Unlike the rest of the stuff you've suggested I actually know how to do that.

As far as letting others do the tagging and content and shit, I'm sure you have experience relying on others to do anything and how well that usually works out. Moreso when they really don't have any majorly invested interest in the outcome.

2 cents, maybe 2.5 if you adjust for the euro against the dollar
Looks like option 3 then. Just tag better.

ianm said...
There arn't any succesful membership S and C site's errr strengthcoach.com seems to do ok!? That in itself means there is a gap in the market and more to the point there are a handful of people here who regulaly check the site. More to the point this prehaps takes the emphassis away from your meathead body builders...sorry if I have insulted anyone.
I don't have any of those. Only meathead athletes.

I can agree with Lyle on getting a site built I have managed the build of 2 and quite frankly what you want gets lost in translation.
No one has made it sound like an enjoyable experience that's for sure.

Sami said...

Will said...
I was thinking of maybe just making it so that comments were visible on the main page....what would people think of that? Would that get too messy?

Yes, it would get too messy. A whole months worth of blog entries and comments in a single page, it'd take forever to load.

I don't have any good suggestions how or what to do, I pretty much don't follow any other blogs (what a sad bugger I am).

Will Heffernan said...

Sami,
Just to ensure I don't use up all the internets I won't make all the comments visible.